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heartbreaking and it's unbelievable that facebook is still holding off on this when their own research shows it. that does it for us this morning, stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle live at msnbc headquarters here in new york city. it is wednesday, october 6th. let's get smarter. this morning the pressure is son with u.s. default less than two weeks away. the senate set to vote today to begin the process to suspend the debt limit, but republicans, they are not likely to get on board, not even an inch. the big question, what other options do democrats have to avoid a complete crisis? we'll be speaking to the head of the s.e.c., gary gensler about what a default could mean for the markets and the broader economy. and on the covid front, a glimmer of hope with cases down in 40 states across the country. we will revisit one of the
biggest covid hot spots from over the summer where hospitalizations are now falling and vaccinations are ticking up. plus, the impact of vaccine mandates, big business, the ceo of united airlines will be here to talk about how the company's latest move is paying off big time. you know we're beginning with this morning facebook, ceo mark zuckerberg finally weighing in overnight insisting that his company is the victim of a, quote, false narrative. at the same time, he is saying he is open to regulation from washington. in fact, after watching that explosive senate testimony from whistle-blower frances haugen, it is clear there's one thing that she and zuckerberg and congressional lawmakers agree on in theory that the ball is in congress's court. >> is facebook capable of making the right decision here on its own or is regulation needed to create rule transparency on facebook? >> until incentives change at facebook, we should not expect facebook to change.
we need action from congress. >> the question is what is that going to look like? let's bring in some experts, nbc capitol hill correspondent alley vitale, nbc's jacob ward who covers technology. cecilia wong, tech editor at "new york times," and kara swisher "new york times" contributor, co-host of the pivot podcast and host of the sway podcast. kara, everyone is saying this is a huge disaster for facebook. it's a nightmare, but is this anything more than a pr problem? let's review. user growth is up, advertisers aren't leaving, employees aren't leaving en masse, and as revolt and shocked and surprised as we are about these revelations from the whistle-blower, it's all going to be legal. >> here's the thing whether it's legal or not, i think they have a product problem, that's for sure. a management problem. the fact of the matter is as you were saying just before, congress has to act. that is really the issue going
on right now with a lot of these issues. and even though mark zuckerberg has always said we want regulation, the fact of the matter is congress hasn't acted at all, so at this point facebook is just being facebook and people who are in charge of the government need to think about what are the various things they can do from data protection to figuring out how to deal with content moderation the correct way to making the system more transparent, and so it really is up to congress. it's absolutely true. >> and cecilia, is mark zuckerberg just playing a game of chicken saying all the right things. in it he wrote the right body to assess tradeoffs between social equities is our democratically elected congress. right now the problem is -- so when you think about zuckerberg saying that, he's saying, yes, it's time to regulate. is he just betting on the fact that congress barely gets anything done these days so it will take a long, long time? >> well, stephanie, congress doesn't get much done, and it certainly hasn't gotten anything
really done when it comes to internet regulation. i do think that facebook has said that they sought regular regulation for quite some time. i've been covering a lot of these facebook hearings. for the first time i heard members of congress talking about the systems and the products that facebook has which is a system that amplifies agitating content, and they've spoke about algorithms, ranking systems, things that were really at the heart of the belly of the beast and talking about whether facebook should be compelled to make that transparent and share how its algorithm works. that was new and i think that pushes the conversation much further than it has before. >> senators are agreeing in theory it's time to regulate, but what are they actually going to do about it? the whole like we're bringing zuckerberg back, we have all watched and covered mark zuckerberg getting grilled on the hill and then we get nothing. >> yeah, steph, there's usually
no shortage of anger here from lawmakers. what there tends to be is a shortage of action. you listened to senators after that hearing, they say what could be the tipping point is the fact they now have a whistle-blower who brought the receipts with her when she left the company, new troves of data, an ability to look under the hood so to speak of facebook and how it works. again, this is not necessarily a conversation exexplicitly about content, it's about the rabbit holes that lead young girls and teens to content that is harmful to their mental health. that's where the conversation is on this. that's also where the conversation about oversight is going to go. you had a great graphic up a few minutes ago about the ways in which congress could move forward on this. it's a question of more oversight of how facebook functions, more federal oversight of big tech broadly requiring these platforms to share their proprietary algorithms. that's all a question of transparency. something that even in all of these testimonies we have not seen a lot of. then there's changing section
230, which is part of the larger conversation here. that's a liability shield for these tech companies, but it really does speak to the content, again, we're talking here about the algorithms and sort of the under the hood mechanisms of how this stuff works. i was struck yesterday, there are senators calling this a tipping point. we've seen other tipping points and flash points on other big issues here in washington. i think specifically about the pushes that we see after mass shootings on gun violence prevention. i also think about how weeks ago we watched police reform fall apart, even though it came after a year where we saw months and months of protests after the murder of george floyd and other black men at the hands of police. we've seen these kind of tipping points before and action hasn't come to fruition. the open question here is whether or not this will be different. >> jake, is regulation the only answer? right, facebook could do a lot on their own. right now if you google searched the word ivermectin and go on
google, you're going to get all of these -- you're going to immediately go to websites that are fda approved websites saying this does nothing to help with covid. you do that same search in facebook, the first eight out of ten recommendations are, man, this is great to ward off covid. couldn't facebook do a whole lot to ward this off on their own? google does. >> absolutely. i think what struck me about zuckerberg's letter overnight is this idea that facebook has always been tremendously transparent, more transparent than other companies, he says. i think if you speak to the academics who have been trying to partner with facebook for years, literally years, they would disagree. nathaniel who ran the original effort to create an academic look inside the company walked fwrae that project and published an op-ed, he said we have facebook hiding data from us. i think stephanie we've seen right now the power of bringing
data outside of facebook and into the public eye. unfortunately we only have this very small amount that frances haugen brought, that data is put together by internal researchers at facebook. imagine if you actually took what facebook knows about human behavior and you put it in front of qualified political scientists, qualified behavioral scientists, and not people on facebook's payroll, the kind of insights we might have. at that point, you could really start talking about how we should effectively regulate not just this company but all the companies that deal in algorithms and human behavior. >> kara, weigh in, that's that data point they're not yet sharing. if they did, how would it work? >> well, it's very complex, but talking about nate's piece, which i thought was terrific and actually a very smart way. i think congress doesn't want to weigh into content moderation itself. it's not like we had any issues with authoritarian issues in
this country recently. you don't want to create a federal agency that does that, but this idea that researchers could get ahold of facebook's information and figure things out better than facebook does without the agenda facebook had could be very powerful. another thing is antitrust, it just is. these companies are too big. i think so much of the focus has been on the content itself. if there are more companies you're going to get more diversity, and that is the thing that is stymieing a lot of stuff going on here. and so congress has to pass new antitrust regulations that will begin to allow our federal agencies to use their tools to bring competition and innovation. >> then is the bigger thing that happened this week besides the whistle-blower the outage, when the outage happened we saw that 3.6 billion people use facebook platforms and when they were out, they didn't really have anywhere else to go, kara. >> yeah, well, you know, i was around for the aol outage, i
don't know if you remember when that happened when everything went down. we are -- the pandemic, if anything, has shown we are married to the internet. we are married to technology, and therefore the people who run it have a great deal of influence over our lives. if we learned nothing else from the outage and the pandemic is that these people who are unaccountable and not regulated have enormous power and we need to seize back some of that power in the correct way. >> cecilia, how important is it? we throw around the word like regulation, like regulation will fix it, but to get that regulation done right because if it does end up centered around misinformation, it could cut deep, right? fox news pumps out misinformation about the vaccine seven nights a week. >> yeah, it absolutely has to be done right. i don't think there's one piece of regulation that's going to solve it all. it may be the case where competition policy as ka ra's
talked about, as well as antitrust action, regulation when it comes to transparency, data privacy, perhaps carving out some parts of section 230. maybe the whole menu needs to be considered. it has to be absolutely right, a lot of smaller companies can get caught up in these regulations and be punished. facebook could thrive, which is what we saw in europe with the data privacy regulation there, it actually favors in some ways the biggest companies arguably. so it has to be done right, but also we have to consider that that argument you can't take from facebook or other big tech companies. they always say that and that helps sort of slow the process. >> cecilia, kara, jake, ali, so thank you so much. i want to go deeper and bring in richard blumenthal. he chaired the committee where haugen testified yesterday. thank you very much for joining me. i know it's been a busy week for you. there's one thing that on its
surface the whistle-blower and facebook agree on, which seems crazy, but they agree on you. they both say congress needs to step in. so does the general public. what are you going to do about it? >> that's a very interesting contention from mark zuckerberg who evidently is back from sailing. he's discovered, i think, that they do, in fact, have a big tobacco moment, a moment of reckoning and now he is throwing these vague terms saying they're already transparent. false. that they would regulation. in the abstract maybe. the fact is, stephanie, they have fought tooth and nail against regulation. i know about that fight because i've proposed legislation, some of it has been adopted, a modification of section 230 against child trafficking, and some of it unanimously by the judiciary committee but not yet by the congress protecting children, they have fought the act that i've advanced along
with my co-sponsor lindsey graham. it's bipartisan just as the fury yesterday was bipartisan. but facebook spends millions of dollars to hire armies of lobbyists to put ads opposing real regulation. now, i think we are at an inflection point. i don't like the tipping point analogy, but i think the kind of very strong bipartisan support for real reform that we saw yesterday -- i don't minimize the difficulties of achieving legislation and your previous panel was absolutely right. it has to be multifaceted on privacy, on section 230, on stronger oversight. but here is what congress ought to do right away. >> sir, i don't disagree with you in any way, but here's the thing.
everything facebook is doing is legal. last week you had a startling, scary example that you showed us your office created a facebook account of a 13-year-old girl on instagram and you showed us how dangerous instagram is. the problem is there's not a single law protecting anyone over the age of 12 so we can talk all day long that we think mark zuckerberg is a nasty guy who shouldn't be on vacation, but he is because he can be, and you're the policymakers. how do you convince the rest of congress let's do something, guys? >> well, first of all, that hearing yesterday was so compelling and frances haugen was so credible and powerful as a witness, and the documents themselves speak volumes. but in terms of disclosure, if we can tell the world how these algorithms work, if that black box can be opened, if the truth
about facebook driving harmful content toward children, aggravating misinformation through the ways that it amplifies and weaponizes untruths and harmful content, i think we will drive the dialogue and legislation forward. >> but sir -- >> it will take effort, there's no question. >> were you genuinely surprised, yes, we hadn't physically seen those documents, but any person in our personal life who comes over for dinner and tells us some absolutely dangerous crazy conspiracy theory almost always has gotten it from facebook. so it wasn't like anything she told us was shocking. we just saw it for real. >> you know, it's like the dark side of the moon, stephanie, we know it's there. we just don't know that there's so much of it. i was surprised. i will be very honest with you, not by what the research showed but that facebook had it so thoroughly and credibly, not
just one report but a series of reports that they hid and concealed and denied existed, and then they went on maximizing profit when they knew about the pain they were causing children and others and the disinformation they were spreading. so not surprised by what the study showed but that facebook had these thousands of pages of documents, yes, and here's one more point, stephanie, keep in mind. the s.e.c., securities and exchange commission, has claims from ms. haugen asking for an investigation. they should do it. there are significant pieces of evidence here, there's a picture of possible deceptive and misleading claims to investors, the ftc should investigate the potential illegalities in advertising. you're absolutely right. they may think what they're doing is legal at facebook, but
maybe not so much the s.e.c. and the ftc. but your overriding point is absolutely right. we do need to take action. there needs to be real reform. it won't be easy, but i've been doing this for 15 years working on section 230, for example. the mere fact that we're talking about it in this space is a major achievement. a year ago no one would know what section 230 is, and by the way, it is the near complete legal immunity, a broad legal field that big tech has against any legal responsibility. >> and it is time for an update. good news for our viewers, senator, s.e.c. chair gensler will be here in the next few minutes, and we intend to ask him about that very subject. senator, thank you for joining me this morning. i appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, new details about how many infections and hospitalizations the covid vaccine is actually preventing. it's a big number.
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after republicans vowed to oppose it. the stakes couldn't be higher after officials warned a u.s. default could plunge us into a recession. so how are we going to get out of this? republicans could drop their filibuster and let democrats take care of it with the majority vote, but there's no sign that's going to happen. democrats could revise their budget resolution and pass it using reconciliation, which is what mitch mcconnell wants, but that could take a lot more time, and democratic leaders have already rejected it. some say president biden could declare the debt limit unconstitutional or let the treasury mint a trillion dollar coin, the white house already rejected both of those ideas, and democrats can also just change the rules, ditch the filibuster and do it without any republicans, and that seems to be what they're considering. let's go straight to sahil kapur on capitol hill, and monica alba at the white house. >> reporter: they are considering all of these options. there's a vote today between 2:00 and 3:00 p.m. in the senate
that requires 60 to move forward and break a filibuster. the question is what happens next. there are a growing considerations about piercing the filibuster, using that nuclear option to create a narrow carveout for the debt limit so that cannot be blocked by a minority, and president biden injected some fuel into this last night, when he said he was a real possibility. now, there are 48 democratic senators who are fully on board or open to making changes in the filibuster. there are two who said they are not, one of them is senator joe manchin. he started the week by saying maybe we don't need to do that. there are other options. in the last 24 hours he's gone quiet. he's simply saying he's not going to talk about the issue of a debt limit carveout. as for senator sinema i asked her office where she stands, and they said they have no comment. take that for what it's worth. she said her support for the filibuster is based on the belief that it promotes stability in law making. that doesn't apply to the debt
limit, which suggests it's at least a question for her she's going to have to weigh in on. bottom line, this comes up to the deadline, if they brush at 24, 48 hours before a potential default, this is going to be a very difficult question for all 50 democrats, do they allow it if the reconciliation option is no longer available or do they use those 50 votes to nuke the filibuster, at least for the debt limit and prevent default. >> let's talk to infrastructure sausage making, democrats are not deadlocked. they don't have their pencils down. they are working through the night grinding this thing out. it sounds like their getting closer, huh? >> it does sound like they're getting closer. i think there's been movement on the issue of the price tag. president biden has identified 1.9 trillion to 2.2 trillion as kind of a sweet spot where he believes the two sides can come toe. the progressives aren't there yet, the centrists aren't there yet. but crucially senator joe manchin, the senator -- >> you said progressives aren't there yet, centrists aren't there yet, that means no one's
there. >> they're moving though, stephanie. manchin has offered a $1.5 trillion price tag. he has refused to say that is his upper limit. progressives still say we want 3.5 trillion, but they're talking about numbers like 3 trillion. one of them floated on a call with president biden a floor of 2.5 trillion. there's slow movement. you're right they're not there. this is the beginning of a long and difficult negotiation. on the policy front there's one difficult decision that democrats have to make. they're kind of caught in this conundrum, as the price tag falls, do they do fewer social programs at a longer time frame, hope that they last, try to do them well, or do they stand up a lot of programs over a shorter period of time because they'll have to expire in order to meet the price tag over a few years. they're not there yet, but i do see movement. >> monica, let's talk about the president, in michigan yesterday, a trump heavy state
talking to voters and he's meeting with business leaders today. what can we expect? >> reporter: yesterday was all about the reset on the infrastructure, and today is about the real world consequences on this issue of the debt limit. the reason the president went out there to give this speech that really he's given many times from different cities, different swing districts is not because there was so much new in his pitch for this multitrillion dollars agenda but there's a renewed sense of urgency in why the president feels he needs to continue to explain what's in these packages so that as lawmakers do reorganize their policy priorities people can get on board and understand why the price tag may need to be in a certain place. take a listen to how he framed it yesterday and why he believes he really wants these two sides to come together in the limited runway that's left to get something done. >> to pose these investments is to be complicit in america's decline.
this isn't about two piece s of legislation. it's about the inflection point i mentioned earlier we are in our history, the world history. >> reporter: and it's an inflection point palooza. it's not just related on what he wants to do on his domestic agenda. that's the point he's going to make today when it comes to raising the debt ceiling. the president is going to be meeting with bank ceos and top business leaders to really use terms like potential recession, economic catastrophe if the u.s. doesn't act on this, and for the first time in its history ends up defaulting. he's going to continue to absolutely place the blame on republicans. we saw him do that earlier in the week. we can expect the same messaging. he's going to use these people he's meeting with to, again, reiterate the message. you see there bank ceos of citi, of jpmorgan, of bark of america, aarp and the realtors, the people who represent those who might be really, really impacted.
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markets just opened, down about 200 points after treasury secretary yellen warned we could see a major recession if congress does not raise the debt ceiling and do it asap. so let's go straight to dom chu with the latest. are investigators now getting real scared about this debt ceiling issue? >> i mean, they are and they aren't, right? it's never happened, the u.s. has never defaulted on its debt obligations despite times in the past where we've come close. you can argue that markets are still phased by the threat of a default in some ways and the ensuing economic downturn that could hypothetically follow. it's just right now that there's a market debate about how credible that threat really is. that's why you're seeing the kinds of bigger market swings up and down. it's still a market that's, by
the way, roughly 5% below record highs, but if you throw in the d.c. drama, together with fears over interest rate policy from the fed, together with concerns about high stock market valuations, real estate valuations, and of course what appears to be data showing a possible slowing of the u.s. economy post-pandemic, you get this kind of up and down whipsaw action. it's not all that uncommon. it's just we haven't seen it in quite some time. also, by the way, a lot of this might have to do with traders and investors, stephanie, repositioning themselves ahead of that big jobs report on friday, which could add some more confirmation about the economy and whether it remains stable. as always, the key places to watch will be the big tech and media companies like apple, microsoft, alphabet, and facebook, keep an eye on those, they're driving the market action. >> it is not just janet yellen warning about the default. our nation's top wall street regulator said a default would shock the markets big time. joining us now to discuss the
man sounding that alarm, s.e.c. chair gary gensler. i know a default would be bad news. help people at home understand what that would look like for them. >> well, i think of it this way, the treasury markets are at the base of our capital markets. they're called risk free for a reason, and what we would call into question what does that mean, risk free? it's like the foundation of a home, and if you had a home and somebody said, guess what, your foundation is defaulted. it's basically broken. the house will rumble and the house may even collapse. >> that is not good news. i want to turn and ask you about facebook because yesterday the facebook whistle-blower said the company misled advertisers and investors. she wants you, the s.e.c. to investigate. are you going to? >> stephanie, i think your viewers would appreciate that i'm not in a position to comment on any whistle-blower -- >> they'd actually love to know.
>> i understand that. but let me go to a broader value in our security laws. if executives of companies that are public companies mislead the public, they mislead the public in their financials or they mislead the public in a material way in terms of their products, that can be a violation of securities laws, and i'll leave it there, stephanie. >> did you hear enough from the whistle-blower that makes you want to look further into facebook? >> i understand the question, but i'm not -- really, it's an important concept that we don't talk about or even suggest whether there is or is not an investigation. but i will say this, if companies mislead the public in a material way, that's within the securities laws if they're public companies. >> i'm going to take that as you're saying there's a chance. i want to switch gears again though and talk meme stocks robinhood. you had a big report coming out, i know you were worried about brokers game fiing their platforms, but realistically
what tangible actions can you make outside shutting them down? >> look, i think that there's a number of things that we can do to help the investing public. you mentioned gamification. our platforms, whether they're brokerage applications or robo advisers often are using digital analytics to maximize their revenues, and if they're trying to maximize their revenues rather than your investor returns, that's an inherent conflict, and i think we see that in other parts of our economy, too. it's not just in finance where platforms are trying to maximize their revenues rather than their well-being -- >> back to facebook. but here's the one thing that's different in the gamestop, the meme craze. you're in the business of protecting the little guy, and you think back to penny stocks and the sub prime crisis. in this situation, the little
guy, he and she, they don't want to be protected. they're saying well -- just like the big guys do. how do you protect them when they say, no, we want no rules? >> first, i agree we all have a role. ultimately it's about savers, it's investors for their retirement and their future, whether that's a small amount of money or a large amount of money. so i totally agree, but what our rules are about is to protect folks against fraud, against somebody misleading them in the market, but also about trying to make those markets less costly, and zero commission does not mean there's no costs in the system, and right now nearly half of the market goes to what's called the dark market or internalizers rather than competition amongst our orders in an open, transparent way. >> nothing is for free. it takes us right back to facebook. if you're not paying, you don't realize that you're paying in a different way. i know you had this report coming out about the meme stock
craze. is this report going to be just an assessment, or do you have actual changes that are going to require enforcement? >> so the report itself, if i can lower expectations is about an assessment of what happened in january. we are taking up several policy agenda items, one is around these digital engagement practices that we just spoke about. two is about the market structure and what to do about the payments behind the scene, these things called payment for order flow where one market maker is buying a lot of the retail flow, two or three r. three is some of the plumbing, i'm sorry to say, but the back of this -- clearing and settling. we have multiple projects. >> nobody likes to talk about the plumbing, but we all need good plumbing or our houses will be a mess, figuratively and
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texas last month, this is why, and more are on the way. this morning this is no longer a tourist town, 20,000 migrants, many of them trying to head to the u.s. are camped out here desperate to leave. among them haitians, cubans, and venezuelans. this man tells us he left haiti more than a month ago after the earthquake there and says he won't stop now. each day they crowd together in line, passports in hand, children held tight. >> this is the moment when a few of these migrants are led onto this boat, many of them have been waiting for this for weeks. panama is only taking 500 migrants a day and more than a thousand are arriving in this colombian town each day. >> the boats travel west, then they'll pass the darrien gap, a
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100,000 senior citizens out of hospital and saved over 39,000 lives in just the first five months of the year. this comes as cases continue to fall. good news, including drastic changes in some hot spots. in one of those, springfield, missouri, where thespringfield, missouri, where the city's fire chief once said they were witnessing a mass casualty event in very slow motion. but things are very different now. shaquille brewster is there. walk us through this. over the summer, it was devastating. how are they making it happen? cases down, vaccinations up. >> reporter: and let's remind our viewers just how bad it was in the summer. i was here in july, i was here in august and you had hospitals describing the scene inside the icus as war zones. they were inundated. they said that they were running out of ventilators at one point. and you saw cases high, hospitalizations high and deaths increasing back during those summer months. now things are dramatically different. you have cases a fraction of
what they were during the summer months. hospitalizations and deaths also going down. and i just spoke to the hospital executive. i've been talking to the health department, and they say it's a multitude of factors. it's the masking that you saw, even in schools. at least in localized areas. you saw more mitigation efforts. you saw people step up their concern and step up their reply and response to the virus because of the spread they saw in the area. i just spoke to the hospital ceo, and he said now most of the patients that they're dealing with are coming from outside of the area where those vaccination rates were low. i asked him if they were separating just yet, what are their concerns? how are they viewing this? thereon what he said. >> we are confident in nothing right now, really. so we're on the tip of our skis in everything we do. so we are preparing for a worst wave yet. and hoping that doesn't happen, but we've learned to prepare for the worst possible scenario. >> reporter: so despite the progress, you hear there is still some concern there. the reason why, just look at this graphic that you have here. it goes to the vaccinations.
what they're seeing is in this area, in this county, the green county in the middle of all of that red, most people have been vaccinated. you look at the surrounding counties where they're receiving most of the patients right now, those vaccination rates still remain low, steph. >> vaccines work. that's the punch line, shaq. thank you. and the results are also in for vaccine mandates, and no surprise, they work great. united airlines was the first u.s. airline to require employees to get the shot. and now, nine days after their deadline, are you ready for this, a whopping 99.7% of their workforce got vaccinate. only a teeny-weeny fraction of their workers is getting fired for not doing it. and other airlines already taking notice, with competitors like american, southwest, and jetblue following united just this past week. joining me now, the man who made it all happen, united airlines ceo, scott kirby. scott, industries are worried about losing workers, but 99% of your staff did it.
how'd you do it? >> i think you said it correctly. it's a phenomenal outcome and mandates work. the key is, do it -- i think do it with a short fuse. don't let the debate drive on for a long time. we did it in less than eight weeks from announcement to finishing. and you talk to employees, but you just say, this is the deal, and you've got a choice to make. don't be wishy-washy, don't waffle about it. and when you do that, 99.77% of employees get vaccinated. and we're broadly representative of the country. employees in all political stripes, all kinds of workers in our workforce. if we can do it, anyone can do it. and that's awesome, but here's the thing. as a traveler, i'm not actually that close to flight attendants and pilots. however, i am shoulder to shoulder with other passengers, breathing on each other while we're eating our meals. are you going to mandate it for flyers next? >> well, first, what i would say is, what a lot of people don't know is because of the air flow on airplanes and the fact that we're refiltering air 20 to 30 times an hour through hepa grade
filters, it's literally the safest place you can be indoors of anywhere that you can be around other people. >> but sir, if it's so safe, then you wouldn't need to vaccinate your employees. you realized it was important to vaccinate employees. why not travelers? >> well, it's safe -- the aircraft itself is safe. but the whole rest of the process, and everything that happens with our employees, is really about saving lives. not just on the airplane. it's why we decided to vaccinate employees. but for customers, it is going to be required internationally in most jurisdictions. and i think domestically, it's really going to be up to the government and the administration to decide whether they want to do. what he said, and what i agree with, it's more important to get everyone vaccinated. and these new requirements from the government will be really powerful. it proves if you put a mandate in place, they work. we've proven that. and the government will require it in the workforce. which means the vast majority of people onboard airplanes will be vaccinated, not because they're
required to do it on an airplane, but because that i have been required to do it through the workforce. that's a much more efficient way to get the whole country vaccinated, which is really the goal of the administration. >> here's the thing. it's very hard for the government to mandate that. and we know last year, when airlines were in trouble, the government came in, stepped up, and saved you all. and right now, they're looking for any help that they can possibly get. you already require the vaccines for your international travelers. have you and other ceos in your industry talked about doing it on your own without a government mandate? >> we have talked about. it but we wind up all agreeing with the administration. i've pushed really hard to get all employees vaccinated and i'm grateful and glad that our competitors are coming along and
do the same thing. this is about being vaccinated so the stories in springfield that you just talked about did not happen. we would not have people in this country if people were not vaccinated. they're still dying because we're not vaccinated. and an airline on its own is not going to change that. we can change it for our employees and other employees can change it for our employee. and when we do that, we can get the whole country vaccinated and we can put this in the rearview mirror. >> you are certainly on the right track. thank you, scott kirby. ceo of united airlines. remember joel greenberg, congressman matt gaetz's buddy who pleaded guilty and agreed to work with the feds? there's a new twist in the case. you don't want to miss it. stick around, right after the break. o miss it. stick around, right after the break. it's the eat fresh refresh™ at subway®. there's so much new we don't even have time for this guy! but i'm tom brady! oh, and there's smashed avocado too!
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at this point, the congressman has denied it. but i assure you, we will be staying on this story. thank you for watching this very busy hour. i am stephanie ruhle. my dear friend and colleague, jose diaz-balart picks up breaking news coverage right now. >> thank you, stephanie. good morning. it's 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. right now on capitol hill, the clock is ticking as lawmakers are at impasse on how to stop the u.s. government from defaulting on its debt. it's a scenario that could plunge the world's largest economy into chaos and send shock waves throughout the global market. this afternoon, president biden will meet with top business leaders to discuss the escalating standoff in hopes of adding pressure to republicans. all of this as democrats continue to negotiate the president's economic agenda. we'll talk to congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz about where things stand and her top priority. meanwhile, in colombia, tens